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JACKSON "JAX" TELLER. ([personal profile] kutte) wrote in [community profile] ataraxionlogs2015-01-15 01:02 pm

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CHARACTERS: jax, anderson + the whole ship.
LOCATION: gunnery
WARNINGS: will update as needed
SUMMARY: jax and anderson call up a meeting to discuss what to do about van rijn, ward and resnik, everyone is invited cookies and punch will be provided.

[ this is possibly the fullest gunnery’s ever been, but jax is saving that observation for later, hoping maybe to get a laugh out of anderson. the two of them are standing up by the bridge, jax leaning against the main battle station, deceptively casual, cigarette tucked behind his ear. anderson provides a contrast to jax’s apparent casualness, her back ramrod straight, standing at an almost perfect parade rest.

it’s a serious meeting. they need to figure something out here, some clear way to proceed that everyone can agree on. jax has his doubts about universal agreement, but he and anderson are here to make an attempt at finding it.
]

This is a good turnout. Make yourselves comfortable as you can, and me and Anderson’ll bend your ears for a few minutes before we all start talking.

[ or before everyone starts shouting over each other. jax has seen discussions of this magnitude take place on the network, which kept its own order, but doing it like this, they might need to come up with a better way of keeping people cool. he glances at anderson, eyebrows raised, but continues. ]

We asked you all to come down because we’re looking to coordinate. We got a real decision to make about this bullshit with Van Rijn’s people. We’ve got Ward and Resnik making noise about it, and I don’t trust either of them, but we need to figure out what we’re doing if Lina starts jawing at us again. [ jax’s tone stays level, but his expression tightens at the mention of lina. the idea of her doesn’t sit right, hasn’t from the start. jax doesn’t like it, but that’s something to talk about later. ] We figured meeting here was best, because neither of us trust the network, no matter what kind of fancy locks you slap on your conversation. We know they can hear us if they want, and no matter what we choose, I figure the element of surprise is the best way to go.

[ he pauses, takes the cigarette out from behind his ear as he tips his head to anderson. ]

Anderson here’s gonna lay out our options. Or our options as far as we figure them.

[ anderson takes a step forward. ] The most likely explanation is that they are after the ship. Whether or not they would be true to their word of rescue is unknown. This leaves us with three options.

[ ticking them off on her fingers, she lists, ] First, we engage with them but lie to them, feed them no useful information while we try to gain information from them.

Second, complete radio silence. No one engages with them.

Third, we tell them what we know and hope for rescue.


[ all of these options are neutrally presented, neither tone nor stance betraying any preference. jax’s gaze lingers on anderson for a moment, as if checking to see if she’s got anything else, before he speaks again. ]

And before we get into the discussion part of the evening, y’all should know we’re still operating at around forty percent with the turrets and cannons. We’ve been working on repairs, but if anyone with some technological know-how wants to donate a couple shifts, we’d be obliged. [ not that it’s so simple, but any extra set of hands would be better than none, even if he and anderson had to do a crash course in turret repair. ] If we’re taking Ward and Resnik’s advice, we better prepare for the day Lina and her people stop talking and start trying something more hands on.

[ and on that optimistic note: ]

So anyone else got any bright ideas they want to add, or should we put this to vote?

( ooc: jax and anderson, also an ooc post for explanations + handwaving and ooc coordination!! )
forgodssake: (#8414269)

[personal profile] forgodssake 2015-01-17 12:32 am (UTC)(link)
I'm calling for an embargo on it because that's one thing they give the impression on not knowing and actually want. Why, at this point, doesn't matter, but I suspect it's to get a better understanding of what they anticipate dealing with.

[ Christ this is a crowded room. He's almost concentrating on this topic mostly to ignore the cluster of noisy minds everywhere, tension settled in his shoulders. ]

I've tried to feed them white noise, before they took to the network -- which they only did after maintaining conversations with individual devices, which I think is plenty suspicious -- and I think it's apparent they know, already, what they're dealing with, or have a fixed idea of it. No amount of truths or half-truths is going to dissuade them of that notion. The best we can do is deny them anything else.

[ There's a shrug from him right back. He isn't expecting to change Kate's opinion, only put his own out there. ]

Perhaps we ought to ask the experts in Comms. Ryuuzaki's been monitoring this activity for longer than any of us, and could only do so off my comms device when I was standing in the labs. I'm not categorically disagreeing with out first option, but I think it's a risk requiring coordination.
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[personal profile] alsohawkeye 2015-01-17 01:12 am (UTC)(link)
If Comms had a way to jam anything I think he would've said so by now. If it were even possible you'd think Ward and Resnik would've done it themselves.

[ Since it's pretty clear what they want, at least. ]

Look, I agree with you that the jump number seems like something they don't know and want. Maybe just giving them a fake number won't hurt us as much as the real one, I don't know. I just don't think sitting here in silence learning nothing and telling them nothing makes our position any better. What're you hoping for in that case? That we lose them and go back to more of the same?
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[personal profile] darkart 2015-01-17 01:46 am (UTC)(link)
[ Severus is behind Charles, leaning on something, arms crossed over his chest. He's been mostly silent this entire meeting, and shrugs slightly before he speaks now - the only tell he's going to, perhaps to give Charles a head's up he's about to be interrupted. ]

I'm not sure why we're laboring under the delusion that they don't have a set idea about what we are, [ he says. ] The way we're being spoken to is uniquely characteristic. [ Severus raises his hands, palms out, to illustrate the example: ] 'We know it's not your fault, you didn't mean to, we just want to help you.'

[ He lowers his hands, tone turning critical - ] That is someone trying to talk down a violent criminal. Their questions aren't how did we get here, what are we doing with the ship, are we the original crew. It's possible, even probable, the people they're looking for are the likes of Resnik and Ward. [ And, you know, now they all look like collaborators thanks to all that hilarious trolling, Kate. ] We know those two are completely untrustworthy, we know Van Rijn's people are the minds that built this abomination. They're not going to show up peacefully, and if we're trapped on an example of a malfunctioning ship, what happens when we try to engage in a conflict with a functional one? Losing them may be the option we have to aim for.
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[personal profile] forgodssake 2015-01-17 01:58 am (UTC)(link)
We can't mistake an impending fight with Van Rijn as a means out of this place or the answers to all our mysteries, [ Charles offers on the back of Snape's words. His tone is that of someone thinking out loud. An echo of agreement. ] Just because it's a change in the status quo.

Tempting as it is. The status quo also includes our being alive, or functional. We try to lure them in, they'll disarm us. Perhaps wipe out our jump drives, whether it's with a virus or fire power.
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[personal profile] alsohawkeye 2015-01-17 02:55 am (UTC)(link)
And if we had any idea how to lose them, that might be worthwhile to aim for. I'm not saying we don't have people in Engineering and Comms look into it, but it just doesn't seem realistic to not plan for engagement one way or another. [ This to Snape more directly, but she looks back to Charles, the better to address them both at once. ]

If they think we're violent criminals then we can't make their vision of us any worse by talking to them. If we think they want Ward and Resnik, let's offer them Ward and Resnik. Worth a try to at least see what they do.

I mean, no, [ shoulders come up along with hands, a more expressive shrug for Charles, acknowledging, ] maybe it turns out this isn't a way out, but people have been here for three years banging their heads against the walls trying everything there is and this is the first opportunity with even the slightest possibility of really changing our circumstances. I'm not passing that up without even taking a shot just for 'alive and functional but still trapped indefinitely on a tortureship'.
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[personal profile] darkart 2015-01-17 03:02 am (UTC)(link)
You're not talking about planning for engagement as a last resort, [ he points out. ] You're talking about actively trying to manipulate them or 'luring them aboard'.

[ Preparedness is one thing, but Kate opened her discussion with something else. ]
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[personal profile] axeyou 2015-01-17 04:30 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah. She is.

[--Sharply, and she unfolds her arms from her chest as she leans forward.]

Because we're not going to get to wait for a last resort. We're not going to get to shake them off, and they're not just going to forget about us because we stop talking to them. That's not the way this works. If they're after something? They're going to come for it, with their ship, that's better than ours.

If we're lying to them? Let's really do it.
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[personal profile] darkart 2015-01-17 04:44 am (UTC)(link)
[ Severus listens to Johanna patiently, but doesn't have anything to say to her. He's made his opinions clear; if someone else wants to nitpick at her, they're free to. He nods in acknowledgement, because it's a (relatively) reasonable suggestion if they decide to operate under the notion of confrontation being inevitable. ]
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jk just leaves it

[personal profile] materminal 2015-01-17 03:07 am (UTC)(link)
[ Ripley doesn't give much of a warning before interrupting. She seems tense, though it's strictly controlled — more giving the appearance of being at attention than nervous. ]

We can't manipulate them if we don't know their motivations. If we try, and we accidentally hand them what they want — then it's game over.

[ Shame nobody's alive to get that joke. ] I've dealt with people like this before. They need information on the ship's current status, and them not having it is the only advantage we have. If they felt they could take the ship by force without compromising their goals, they would have already done it.
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[personal profile] alsohawkeye 2015-01-17 03:25 am (UTC)(link)
[ Oh hi. Kate twists to take in the latest anti-option 1 proponent. She doesn't exactly seem thrilled to have a third person piling into her opposition, but her smile is polite. ]

The most likely situation is that they're gathering information trying to figure out if they can take the ship by force or not. And since the most likely alternative to boarding us and taking it back is blasting it from range, I think we have to be actively working to make ourselves seem like less of a threat. Maybe it works, maybe it doesn't, but just sitting here saying nothing seems like the best way to make sure they believe we're definitely working with Ward and Resnik or whatever other enemies they believe control the ship, who all seem to be in favor of us sitting here saying nothing.
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[personal profile] materminal 2015-01-17 03:36 am (UTC)(link)
[ Hi Kate. As far as debates about the fate of spacecraft go, this one's pretty civil; Ripley eases up a bit, tone sliding into something more conversational, if insistent. ]

And has anyone considered the idea that there's more at risk than our lives? We know the Tranquility has a sordid past, even if we aren't clear on the details. If they want something on this ship, it's possible that the best option is to do everything in our ability to keep them from it. Any plan that increases the chance of them boarding puts that at risk.
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[personal profile] forgodssake 2015-01-17 03:44 am (UTC)(link)
But you agree now it does matter what we tell them, if we engage.

[ This, to Kate. The corner of Charles' mouth turns up. Not to paint Kate into an opinion, but he'd nodded at Snape when he'd pointed out that no one's talking about not preparing for combat.

Otherwise, that's his aside. He nods along at Ripley's commentary, happy to take a break from repeating himself a lot as her perspective is added to the mix, but he does echo; ]


No one should mistake advocating radio silence for a lack of tactical manoeuvre.
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[personal profile] darkart 2015-01-17 03:45 am (UTC)(link)
More than considered it - it's a fact, according to all informants we have, that anyone this ship makes contact with ends up dead.

[ Severus nods at Ripley, his voice subdued. Dull teacher habits. ]

We'd have to start talking about the possibility of deliberately destroying the ship with us still on it.
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[personal profile] alsohawkeye 2015-01-17 04:11 am (UTC)(link)
That's a good point. [ To Ripley, who gets a nod as Kate considers. ] But most of what we've heard makes it sound like it's the ship itself rather than something on it. And since we can't manage to even blast open a door, I doubt destroying the entire ship is a possibility.

Plus there's the fact that we don't know where it's being taken or what it's really being used for right now, either. It could be worse, since apparently there's a chance it's been killing people all along. [ Like Snape said, and she glances his way to sort of acknowledge that.

To Charles: ]
I've never said it doesn't matter what we tell them. I agreed with you that we should make sure they don't find out about real abilities, and like I keep saying, whatever we tell them should make us sound as harmless as possible. I just don't think restricting conversation altogether or to very narrow set of lies delivered by a couple chosen representatives is the best way to do that.
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[personal profile] forgodssake 2015-01-17 04:45 am (UTC)(link)
[ The correction leveled at him isn't focused on, just acknowledged with passive silence and consideration that could either be agreement or a lack of giving into pedantry. His vote, after all, still really lies with radio silence.

There's a tip to his head, doubtful silence that she has the right end of the stick about what the best way is, but as mentioned -- Kate keeps saying, and Charles also keeps saying, and he doesn't disagree with enough of her last word to attempt to rival it, so--

It'll be down to a vote. ]